LOST discussion thread (with spoilers)

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[Demerson]

I dunno Franz, I think the Hydrogen bomb is a set-up for things to come rather than a non-sensical answer to the Swan concrete wall. As far as I'm concered we've already got all the Swan hatch answers: The incident and reason for the button was explained by Kelvin and in the video game Lost: Via Domus, the Incident Room is revealed to be on the other side of the concrete wall in the Swan. The room contains a large reactor and other severely-damaged equipment. The reactor is tilted to one side and discharging electricity and also a water-like fluid, which was likely used to keep the reactor coils cool. This section of the Swan appeared on the blast door map, but was never seen in the show itself.

http://lostpedia.wikia.com/wiki/Concrete_wall

Anyway, did anyone get the feeling that Ben went after Desmond in order to kill Penny in the latest episode? If he did succeed then it would have be a great way to handle that plotline.

Yeah, I think everyone suspected Ben at the very least attempted to kill Penny, if not succeeded.

The Via Domus video game is considered non-canon btw, it might as well have been an alternate Lost universe.

[Franz]

Damn I really should resume that game. That's cool, I do know that while its non-canon I don't think its supposed to be super alternate universe. Arent there undiscovered stations/hints to stations in the game as well?

Also, yeah I wonder now if Ben did kill Penny or not. Should be interesting...heck maybe that's what somehow gets Desmond back involved with the island again? So dirty and clever!

[Demerson]

Uhh, I dunno, I just said it might as well have been an alternate universe because it has no impact on the show at all.

Damn them for making us wait to see what Desmond and Penny's situation is!

[Franz]

Anybody else kinda disappointed by the Life and Death of Jeremy Bentham? I mean there were some cool reveals, but from previous episodes I gathered:

-Locke visited the Oceanic 6 (sans Sun) more than once, or at least talked to them longer than "Will you come back?" "No." "Ok, I tried. Next!"

-There'd be a much more in depth conversation between Locke and Walt. That was too friggin short and generic other than the dreams bit. I was hoping for more stuff they had in common, about how special Walt is (which we really don't quite know why yet...why the hell did the Others want him?!) etc etc.

From what I can gather, Ben killed Locke hoping that if he were to take over Locke's mission, Ben could not only get back on the island but resume as leader. However, Ben seems knowledgable that Locke might not really be dead, so...? Argh.  Anyway I guess I was more butthurt overall about how short the interactions were between Locke and the 6. And as far as Widmore vs Ben...damn, who really is telling the truth? Too hard to choose sides just yet.

[Demerson]

Zombie Locke is about to own some bitches!

I wasn't disappointed at all by this episode, thought it was pretty sweet.  Sure, conversations were maybe shortened, but they had to make due with 44 minutes, so instead they just showed the important side of the conversations Locke had with everyone.

The only thing I'm slightly confused about is Ben killing Locke.  Ben must have had some idea that the island wouldn't have let John stay dead like that.  Yet his "I'll miss you, John.  I really will." seemed pretty genuine as well.

As for who's telling the truth, Ben or Widmore, I'd say probably neither.  Everyone say's that after this episode, there can be no mistaking that Ben is an all together evil character, but I don't buy that.  I think he's slightly more complex than that.  I have a feeling we may see Annie soon, seeing as how some of the Losties are in 1970 DHARMA time.

[A.C]

Locke's conversations with the O6, especially with Kate were heartbreaking. He really started to doubt himself, wanting to end his life. I wasn't sure we were going to get a proper flashback of this, but we did, and it was more sad than I would've imagined.

Remember that we already have seen that most of the O6 was completely unaffected by what Locke said. None of them wanted to go back, even after talking to Locke. The only one we know had a dramatic reaction was Jack, and we saw exactly why Jack had such a dramatic reaction ("Your father says hi.") So the fact that Locke didn't have much to say and wasn't very influential actually fits perfectly with what we already know happened.

The ineffectiveness and the inconsequential nature of Locke's speeches also fits perfectly with the theme of the episode. John was thinking that he would be the hero and give these great, persuasive, powerful speeches, but ended up giving little, wimpy, short talks. He got off the island, and once again his life was falling apart and he wasn't the man he wanted to be.

Maybe he had to go and talk to them all not so much to convince them all back, but to get him to face something inside himself. It seemed that each conversation stripped off a layer of confidence in Locke. As if in light of each person's reaction his personal worth was lessened. Sayid tells him that he married Nadia and had the best 9 months of his life.... Walt asking about his dad and Locke not being able to tell him the truth... Hurley not believing in him and running away from him... Kate questioning whether he understands what love is... and culminating in Jack telling him that he isn't special or important, that he is nothing. He seemed more and more deflated after each encounter but not because of the reactions he got, but rather from introspection. Perhaps this is what getting off the island was really... perhaps this was his last test.

I was a little confused by Ben killing Locke after he made such an effort to talk him out of suicide. I can only think of 2 possibilities. 1) He needed the information Locke had and after he got it, it was time to get rid of him or 2) Locked was not supposed to die by his own hand, so Ben did the deed. I wonder if Ben knew at the time that Locke had to die and be returned to the island or if he found that out later.
btw, Locke died the same way that his father did. Strange.

Can't wait for the reunion between Locke, Kate, Jack, and Sayid on Island. So did the Others know that Flight 316 would crash on the Hydra Island? They were building that mysterious "runway" thing in Season 3. Great opening sequence for this episode. I was totally confused at first. =)

btw, Franz I haven't actually played Via Domus I only read about these things on Lostpedia.

[Demerson]

Ben was visibly startled when Locke told him Eloise's name.  I think there's any number of reasons why Ben would strangle Locke, but I think the easiest answer is that, while Ben was working to bring people back to the island, he's doing it on his own terms.

There's a lot of people out there who are saying "after last night, nobody should have any misconception that Ben is nothing but an evil person."  I would still totally disagree with this.  He may do a lot of bad stuff, but I wouldn't be surprised if it was all for a greater good.  When you come right down to it, all Ben is, is a boy that still longs for his mother's love.

[A.C]

What did everyone think of the finale? Franz? Surtur? Demerson?

I thought it was brilliant. That opening scene explained so much about what's been going on while still being a complete mindF*

I was getting a little tired of Lost, the whole 'changing the past' stuff was beginning to feel unoriginal and a cop-out, but this finale brought all my excitement right back, and then...it's over!

So it's the guy in black and Jacob huh? Then what about Widmore vs. Ben? I guess they were always small potatoes.

Apparently next season is going to be alot like Season one. Looking forward to it.

[Demerson]

I liked it.  I liked it a lot.

I just wish they could have picked a better final scene.  SO many people on the interwebz are raging about it, and while it was frakkin great, it's absolute torture to be stuck with that final scene till 2010.  It's like, ANY trailer or promo that they end up making for the final season will be a spoiler.

This whole finale felt like a cinematic adaption of the song "Powerslave" by Iron Maiden.

[Surtur]

Finale was awesome.  I was perfectly satisfied with the final scene, though yeah, any footage from next season will pretty much have to be a spoiler, lol.  Maybe all the trailers will just be a white screen set to music. 

My main complaint was Locke turning out to just be dead.  I hope Jack's "I wouldn't give up on him" comment about Locke was meant as foreshadowing or something, because it would really suck if all that talk about Locke being special was meaningless.  Man, that would be depressing, lol.

Some people are speculating that because of Claire's (? I think it was her) dream where Locke had one black eye and one white eye, maybe Jacob will possess Locke's... other body, and we'll have two Lockes next season.  I think that would be pretty badass.

One way or another, it'd be strange if that really was the end of Jacob, especially since he was practically goading Ben on to kill him like he wanted it to happen, so I assume we'll somehow be seeing more of him.

[Demerson]

Locke with a white eye and a black eye would scare the shit out of me.  I'm not afraid to tell you that.  I would literally scream like a little girl if he came at me.

But, this guy, whatever you wanna call him..."Esau", or whatever.  It seems like he's a mixture of Locke and himself.  So they're like...I guess I could compare him to Venom, in a sense.  Okay, that's a really dumb comparison, but you get the point.

Two Lockes would be interesting.  Poor 'ol Ben would be confused as ever.

Also, if "Esau" possessed Lockes body, where's his real body?  Is it gone?  HMMMMM.

[Surtur]

Spoiler (click to show/hide)

It does indeed seem like Esau is kind of a combination of Locke and himself, but I just wonder if it's the same as all those other dead people we've seen, like Eko's brother - who claimed he was not really Eko's brother at all. Obviously, I would be happier if it were really part Locke, but I dunno.

[Demerson]

Yeah, and this is me after seeing that pic: http://img30.imageshack.us/img30/4571/scaredmio.jpg

Seriously, that's freaky as fuck.  Lost has made me not want to watch it with the lights off once or twice.  Wet Walt talking backwards is another thing that took me completely by surprise.

[Franz]

Well I'd love for the Locke I know and love to NOT be dead, but its a brilliant story if he is and all the "chosen" stuff was a lie. Or doesn't make him invincible.

But, like when I was clinging to the finale of Season 4 in that Locke wouldn't REALLY be dead, I'm also clinging that Locke isn't REALLY dead after Season 5. After all, we know there's something screwy going on, and maybe there's a loophole in that screwyness. After all, in the last podcast Carlton Cuse described the finale as "magic box" just as there was last year's "frozen donkey wheel." So maybe there's something we don't know yet...as is the case with everything now.

All I know is that Rose and Bernard should be fucking DEAD! You're telling me their old and fat asses can outrun flaming arrows AND survive the time jumps AND HIDE FROM THE DHARMA/HOSTILES? Yeah, bullshit.